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From something I posted on Notes:

If you want to go a little deeper with the contextual theorizing, check out this quote from 2010 in Literature/Film Quarterly:

"Until fairly recently, discourse in the field of adaptation studies mostly revolved around the question of fidelity: film adaptations were evaluated based upon how faithful they were to their source texts. An adaptation that hewed closely to its literary parent was assessed favorably; an adaptation that strayed was judged harshly. This view was informed by a tacit belief in literatures innate superiority to film; film could ultimately never be more than an adjunct to literature because literature came first and because literature was art whereas film was mass culture. The postmodern condition, though, poses a significant challenge to this belief. To begin with, if we accept Baudrillard’s theory of contemporary hyperreality, in which the image 'has no relation to any reality whatsoever [...] [but] is its own pure simulacrum' (6), the distinction traditionally made between an 'original' and a 'copy' is no longer viable."

It also goes on to discuss Barthes' "Death of the Author" in this context.

Olney, Ian. “Texts, Technologies, and Intertextualities: Film Adaptation in a Postmodern World.” Literature/Film Quarterly 38, no. 3 (2010): 166–70. jstor.org/stable/43797653.

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I think that all of the questions you pose are true because this subject is so nebulous. Once an idea is expressed as a piece of art it is in the public domain, and once experienced by others can potentially be plagiarised, adapted, referenced, absorbed subconsciously by a new creator or paid homage. Authors, for example, may react in a variety of ways when they have a book adapted for screen if they are not adapting it themselves. Cinema history tells us that some are happy with the results, some not. When I hear that an original work that I admire has been adapted I always have a sense of trepidation, and it's the same with remakes of favourite movies. I don't know why, because the original cannot be harmed by the process, and sometimes the results can be good.

Thanks for this very interesting discussion, Kate!

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Yes, so interesting that we worry ourselves with adaptation. I agree, I do this. Perhaps I am worried the original will be erased somehow. In some cases it is, or people confuse the adapted version with the original (for example, the ending of Brighton Rock or Frankenstein as monster instead of creator).

You bring up many good points about the public domain as well. Now that we add AI to the mix...it's even more interesting where this line of thinking will go. I'm inclined to say I love human responses of all kinds, but I want them to be human to be art. However, I think there are many nuances beyond this binary.

Thanks Jules!

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Interesting questions, Kate! I'd agree with moving the debate away from "fidelity" to an original. I think Borges' story about Pierre Menard, Author of the Quijote shows that after a certain lapse of time, even copying becomes a new creation. As long as plagiarism and copyright infringements don't come into, I think any book or film is for to copy or adapt, and then has to stand on its own merits.

I watch quite a lot of ballet which has its own accretion of versions layered upon the classic choreography of, say, Marius Petipa, as well as major new adaptations. Subtle differences, individual variations within a broad set of rules often make for very satisfying performances. Artistry doesn't always come from doing something new but doing something well.

My favourite cross-medium adaptation is probably ekphrastic poetry. There's no competition between the media - neither has anything to fear from the other.

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The Borges story is a great example!

Ballet - what a wonderful artistic medium to discuss adaptation. Each body performing adapts itself during each performance along with the overall construct of adaptation from the choreographer/directer/etc. Fantastic.

And ekphrastic poetry! I love this. Did not think of it in regards to adaptation, but of course it is.

I guess everything is an adaptation of something - perhaps a novel of one's life or a still life painting of a scene. I'm interested in what happens in the space between object/subject or original/adaptation.

Thanks Jeffrey!

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A really interesting question, Kathleen. From my experience of reading* and seeing adaptations, and writing them in effect in my 'experiments in style' series, I would say the following.

1. They are new entities in their own right.

2. In their role as adaptations they can shed light on the original. For example, a modern dress version of Julie's Caesar made it really clear what was going on to someone who hadn't read or seen the play before. For example, Casca consults his mobile phone before telling Brutus "No. I am promised forth"

3. Writing an adaptation or, branching out, a parody, can help one writer apprechow another writer achieved an effect.

4. Which brings me on to a question I've oft pondered: does parody muddy the waters a bit, given that it applies another Writer's style to an original text? I have two books of parody in which most of the stories are original, but writer in the style of Woolfe, Hemingway, Chandler and others.

* I am currently working on an article that discusses several little known (I believe) or acknowledged adaptations.

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Parody and pastiche bring another layer to consider here. Great point. I guess one could break down the components of adaptation in this way -- i.e. style, chronotopic details, medium, etc. I look forward to this article!

Re 2 -- agree, it's interesting when an adaptation can shed light on something in terms of the context. Also changing genders or settings can achieve an effect like this.

Thanks Terry!

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This is all very interesting. As a medievalist, it strikes me that this discussion would be baffling to medieval writers. Almost all texts had sources, and it was all about adaptation. Chaucer took Boccaccio’s texts, put them through the Chaucerian treatment, and made them his own.

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Yes! Beowulf has been copied a couple of times, I wager.

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For sure!

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Such a great point to consider how the concept changes through history. Later, Shakespeare retells many tales as well. Are we all to some extent, as Tara discusses here?

The reverberations through history to me are also interesting. How does context change our understanding of these themes, or are some so intrinsically human/natural that they don't change at all?

Thank you, John!

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I think this is a really intriguing line of thought. In my opinion, adaptations are "new" in that they are a reimagining of the original. I recall something my father told me as a child, "Imitation is the highest form of flattery." If the work is in the public domain, so long as the original artist and work are properly credited I don't see an issue. If the artist is living and copyright laws apply then yes, permission is needed. I think that some adaptations have improved upon the original while others leave something to be desired. When done correctly, my favorite is book to film or book to tv series. I think that the time constraints of film make it challenging for some stories to be adapted well. With the advent of streaming services producing their own content, this has been somewhat resolved by turning longer works of written material into seasonal content.

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Thanks so much, Matthew! These are all compelling considerations.

Agree that the constraints of screen time make it difficult to fully utilize the language of a written text. However, one could argue that the added cinematic language (including visual, sound, symbolic cuts/fades/etc...) might attempt to add more meaning to that space. Or different meaning.

Mostly, I like the idea of reimagining, if of course due credit or money is paid to the original creator.

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I certainly agree with you on that point regarding cinematic language. Much can be done with the visuals/audio to add to or tell the story whereas in a book you are reliant on your own imagination to interpret the author's words into a visual in your mind.

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Hey Kate. This is deep for 6:42am for me, haha. I'm enjoying reading all the comments here.

Is it fair to the original author or creator if one adapts without permission (even after death)?

1. Tough. Can't give a solid answer and I don't know specifics on when this has or hasn't occurred and landed anyone in trouble. I can't help but think of films, where adaptations from books presumably must require having the rights from the owner of the source material.

2. Shouldn't have to reflect, in my opinion. It is whatever and however the artist interprets the original work and they should be able to be free with their expression.

3. Perhaps depends on proximity to the source material. Often, I would say it's a new kind of art.

4. I don't think it's plagiarism. Obviously there should be a credit of "inspired by" or "based on the work of" etc so as not to claim complete original inspiration for the work.

5. Adaptation itself is incredible. Makes me want to re-watch, has been forever. The new Dune films are clearly now up there, too. Murakami's Drive My Car is a really interesting adaptation, because it goes from being a really short story into a 3hr ish film!

6. Oof, so hard. Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun, probably. A relatively recent read, but one I think about most days. I couldn't possibly do it. It would need to be a TV series rather than film. If the GoT creators manage to pull of the soon-to-be-released Three Body Problem, then they would be potential candidates for making it happen.

7. See opening point about 6:42am 😆

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Thanks for all these wonderful responses despite the early brain, Nathan!

Haven't read Wolfe. Interesting that you've chosen your people to get it done. I guess for GoT it's about creating worlds in a completely immersive way. I think when film/TV does this well, we get a to truly imagine ourselves there as much if not more than a book.

It seems like overall, you're in favor of pushing the ability of creators to play with what's out there and respond to make it their own. I agree, I think art is some of the best inspiration for other art. It helps us look at levels of understandings and even consciousness, arguably pushing deeper than starting simply from scratch (I'm not sure it's possible to create completely from scratch; even subconsciously we are affected by what we've seen/read).

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Fully agree, Kate, yep. Everything must surely come from some external and internal influence. We are immersed in art and culture in so many forms, and if you're an avid reader then the amount of influences blends together I'm sure.

I had another adaptation I was thinking of last night and I thought I'd mention it this morning, but of course I didn't write it down and now I've forgotten! 🤦‍♂️

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Let us know when it comes back to you 🙃

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Plato tells us, in the Republic, that adaptation should be discouraged and even outright banned because it creates a lie of the original. It's not exactly what you are talking about, because he's talking about God's, but I was reminded of this idea. However, art is different, I suppose. I think about copyright a lot, not about the law, but about the ownership of ideas. We humans are plaigarists just by existing because everything we think comes from the external world, from what we see and hear. Has anyone actually had an original idea since Plato? So yeah, I think an adaptation should be allowed to stand on its own. Like A Star is Born. I've watched each version and enjoyed them all, but the most recent is my favourite.

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Great comment. I agree. Any text in existence has been copied, rewritten, adapted and regurgitated a million times. We all draw from the same pool of text, and creation is limited to that pool. One could even say nothing is original, everything is a copy or a variation of existing text. But, let's rather enjoy those swell adaptations and forget about the rubbish ones. Dune Part Two is a prime example where the adaptation diverges significantly from the original(s). For better or worse... we shall find out! Soon.

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Great series of questions: I think adaptations can be true art. My favorite adaptation mode is making an original photograph of a well known painting. We love an artist named Vic Muniz who does this a lot. He creates an original installation that is a riff on a famous painting, then photographs it, destroys the installation, and offers a limited series for sale. Check out the link below and the way he created this one.

https://high.org/collection/khyber-pass-self-portrait-as-an-oriental-after-rembrandt-from-the-pictures-of-junk-series/

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This is a gorgeous example, David.I forgot about Muniz; I remember his chocolate Pollock well now. Incredible idea for adaptation. It seems to allow both homage and reinvention. I always enjoying playing with mediums in new ways. This format has many layers of meaning within it; in the space between the layers, we can use our imaginations further.

Thank you!

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here's another fun one: a plate showing Muniz's version of Medusa made from spaghetti and tomato sauce.

https://store.moma.org/products/vik-muniz-untitled-medusa-plate

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I love the MOMA collab. Invite your guests to dinner and surprise them with the big reveal. See who turns to stone!

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They aren't necessarily "new" texts if they reuse an old plot, but they still stand apart from the original versions.

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Thank you, David. Agree it's hard to define what makes something 'new'.

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There's a lot to think/talk about here. I'd say adaptations are new texts - but of course there's a variety in how much something diverges from the original. The only things I've adapted to playscripts/screenplays are my own texts - apart from a fairytale that I helped expand for a play. I wanted to adapt another novel (Briefing for a Descent into Hell) but to be honest I was glad when I found out I couldn't do it from the estate of the author, as it was proving difficult (I would still return to that idea though, as it would be fun to do and a good film :) ).

I have written one short story with elements of Romeo and Juliet - the setting and some of the basic plot, but its much more a response - I changed one half of the ending (a lot more than that too)! Of course, adaptation can be plagiarism if incorrectly done.

I saw Dune: part 2 yesterday, though, which is a testament to the value of adaptation. What a piece of art that film is! I find some novelisations of films are a lot less 'artistic' than films of novels, but there's definitely room for artistry there, Some of the novelisations of Star Wars films offer much more depth than the films - and with better structures!

As well as the Lessing I mentioned above, I'd love to write a sequel to 1984 (2050), which would somewhat be adapting the epilogue. Anyway that's a lot of my rambling thoughts on the topic...

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I've yet to see Dune 2 but I will. Interesting about Star Wars; I could see that as there is a lot left unexplained. Sometimes I like the unexplained in film (i.e. 2001: A Space Odyssey) because it pushes us to fill in the gaps and interpret the various other techniques (visual, sound, etc.). It depends!

Interesting to hear about your own work as well as they way copyright has affected you.

Thanks for your comments as always, Harvey!

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Ah, yes, Dune Part 2, differs in many ways from the original. I prefer Denis' version over the book, I admit, although found Part 1 better overall.

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There's no doubt that a good story will be told and re-told in many forms. How many novels, films, etc have been developed from stories in the Bible and other religious texts I wonder? I think, there is a moral question for contemporary writers, though, as you point out. If we write a piece that we know is heavily influenced by something already in the public realm we should reference it somewhere. Not exactly the same as what you're raising in this conversation, Kathleen, but related I think, and what really gets me mad, are films that begin with a screenshot stating, 'Based on a true story'; this has become so ubiquitous I feel it's a promotional ploy.

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Yes, Yasmin! I agree about that ploy. Do you think it started with Blair Witch Project? Then there are all the successful biopics lately. True stories seem more compelling I guess. I prefer the agency to make it as the artist wants!

Thanks for the wonderful comment.

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Wow. What a great post and a lot of interesting questions! Here are some thoughts I have.

1. I believe adaptations qualify as new texts but they also constitute paratexts. In that sense they function as stand alone works but they also possess a direct relationship to the source text, informing the discourse surrounding it and influencing audience perception of it among other things.

2. I do think an adaptation deserves to be judged and interpreted as a work in and of itself first and foremost. Far too many evaluations rely on fidelity criticism. Hence, an adaptation really isnt obliged to be all that faithful to a source text. Its main concern should be that it works on its own terms.

3. I think that adapting without permission is fair years after an author's death. At a certain point, copyright should expire and others should be allowed to transform and derive the work.

4. There are a number of works I would love to adapt into film or TV. The Master and Margarita for example would make for a great TV miniseries for streaking or premium cable. One of the greatest 20th century novels ever written and would make for riveting surreal horror TV.

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Thanks a lot, Mikhail. Great explanation of your stance and I agree with you.

I haven't read Master and Margarita. It's interesting to think why we want to SEE some texts visually more than others. I think there are reasons for this. However, the film should match our vision of the book, which is always so difficult to forecast and align!

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Alright, so last night I wrote a comment, well hen-pecked on my Ipad and then accidentally swiped and lost it all. Then I wrote it again, made it to the end and clicked post and was rewarded with an error message. But not this time!!! Thanks for the post DKW!! You had me at Adaptation...I have been on a PoMo movie kick lately, in fact I just watched "Living in Oblivion" last night and can't wait to rewatch "Adaptation"; I will also be rewatching "Blade Runner" which is, of course, an adaptation of Philip K. Dick's "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" (1968)--a novel I convinced my son when he was 9 to read, little did he now the sheep only appeared once and had a great fall. I am thinking about question six and what I can take an adapt to my own, I have not decided yet but I have a few ideas kicking around on the white board. Now do I want to respond, subvert, update or play with...hmmmmm...definitely going to subvert!!! Thanks again.

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Oh no, Brian! That is a pain. This is why I also waited until I was at my computer to respond to you all. I was reading these great comments on the train, but I've had mishaps on my phone...

I haven't seen Living in Oblivion. Thanks - I must. Blade Runner as adaptation + the new Blade Runner are interesting because now we have yet another layer. I absolutely love that film. I truly think it is distinct from the book.

Excited to hear about your own adaptation. Maybe we will see it on film one day??

Thanks for these great comments, Brian.

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Splendid topic! I used Adaptation in one of my recent classes. Love that film. As to your questions, doing anything with copyrighted work without permission, bad idea. Public domain, you don't need permission. So the whole permission thing for me is more about the legality of it than whether one should or should not do it, then even WITH permission, is it OK to resurrect James Dean digitally and shoot a movie using his digital likeness and AI-synthesised voice? Can James Dean II get an Oscar? Does he give a speech, does he have rights? Who benefits financially? Getting off-topic, sorry. But coming back to James Dean, or Rebel without a Cause: would a "remake" with a digital JD adapted for today's audience count as an adaptation? Or would it be more like an abomination? I think the project is dead in the water now.

As others have said, there was a time when I was very attached to the original and any adaptation was met with suspicion and treated as the inferior version. This is not me anymore. I gave myself permission to love or hate any original or adaptation based on its own merits and I feel this is the way. Comparing both with each other is futile.

All adaptations are non-adherent, to varying degrees, by their very nature, and legally they do not fulfil the requirements for plagiarism as there is no hidden agenda. (Article IV, Section B of the Moritz College of Law Honor Code defines plagiarism as "knowingly copying or imitating the ideas or expressions of another and representing them as one's own.)

My favourite medium for adaptations ... it depends! Miniseries on TV can be better than an adaptation that crams three books into one 3h movie. I think the missed opportunities are within interactive media, an area we will see develop rapidly in the coming years, holistic adaptations/entertainment that bridge all walls and media.

If I could adapt any text... so many choices, maybe I would start with a fresh take on Dr. Faustus by Christopher Marlowe, maybe for a stage like The Sphere in Vegas. That answers the last question as well. ;)

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So much to consider with AI! My gut reaction is that I really don't like it! Give me an actor any day who is emulating an old great, and that's fine with me. But once machines are not tools to make art but making the art themselves, it is not longer art.

Adaptation - highly teachable! Great choice for a course.

Interesting to look at your evolution in regards to adaptation. I would agree about this. I guess it's the way we are taught to look at them. Also when considering simply book to film, it wasn't until I was more seriously studying film as a medium that I understood a lot of the deeper layers.

I'm doing the Wolf Crawl read along and have admitted to Simon and his group that I do love the miniseries about those books. I'm learning a lot through the written text, but I enjoyed the imagining of historic scenes through the aid of the camera.

I would like to see your adaptations. Some great ideas there! Fun to consider. You just might make it happen as well. Thanks a lot for your great comments, Alexander!

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Ahh, one day, maybe! Adaptation is the way. Either we adapt or we become obsolete! ;)

The Wolf Crawl! Yes, another interesting read, maybe next year. It's OK to like the adaptation better than the source, take Shogun, I have never read the book but I love the 1980s miniseries and now there's a new version airing, also very good and closer to the book, I am told. What will I think of the book after having watched both TV adaptations? Maybe I will be bored? Maybe I will look for little things, discrepancies that will inevitably ruin my reading experience, or by analysing the creative choices, learn from that experience and understand why those choices were made.

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I may quote you on this in a podcast 🙃

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Uh oh 😅

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Challenging topic! From a purely artistic point of view (picking up on John Halbrooks's comment), we could all be medievalists, repurposing everything without worrying about lines between mine and thine. Emerson wrote, "Our debt to tradition through reading and conversation is so massive, our protest or private addition so rare and insignificant, -- and this commonly on the ground of other reading or hearing, --that, in a large sense, one would say there is no pure originality. All minds quote." The legal and economic question of ownership stumps me every time, though it matters to writers and artists to own a thing of value and be paid for it. There I'm lost.

https://emersoncentral.com/texts/letters-social-aims/quotation-and-originality/

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I adore Emerson but did not know this quote, Tara. Quite apt! I also see literature (and the arts) as a big dialogue of call and response, renewal, paying homage, reinventing...etc. But then I also agree about this need to value the originality and there it is difficult, especially when considering what AI is doing. I guess if a human is making something new, is using whatever they will but with a new, individual purpose, it is ok. But it is impossible to track and assess everyone's motivations and acts of creation. aaahhh

Thank you, Tara! My head is now spinning :)

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Me, too! This always leaves me spinning. I have spent some time tracking down borrowings, parodies, and adaptations of the story-writer Bret Harte, who was far more intertextual than his realist contemporaries realized. He's a good case study, because he always did make something new of his material.

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Thanks for the recommendation!

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It’s a challenging question this as it could be argued that there are limited number of plots so we all might be reusing them all the time. Is a remake of a song a new song? Great thought provoking stuff as ever.

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Yes, agree, and often the similarities in plots help us see the minor differences more clearly (as dissonance). Thanks Jon!

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Thanks for this amazing journey through all kinds of text! And it’s matched very well with your great questions!

My fave double film adaptation consists of “Cotton Comes to Harlem” and “Come Back, Charleston Blue ,” both based on hard-boiled crime novels written by Chester Himes. The two showcases for detectives Coffin Ed Johnson and Gravedigger Jones (powerful acted by Raymond St. Jacques & Godfrey Cambridge respectively) were and are cinema classics.

Last year, I reviewed, on the Stack, Bread and Puppet Theater’s “Inflammatory Earthling Rants (With Help from Kropotkin).” The titular philosopher’s words and ideas about mutual aid were incorporated into the performance of music, dance, chants, and soapbox oratory all straight from the old political pageants that were contemporary to his time, themselves adaptations of speeches and labor and other political events. The Theater ends each show with a visceral manifestation (adaptation) of their performance - and troupe name: free sourdough bread slices for the audience. Delicious with garlic aioli.

If I could adapt any text, I think I would pick a short story and turn it into a short musical performance

Much gratitude for this piece.

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Angel, what marvelous examples. I didn't know anything about the Himes' adaptations but am looking them up now and intrigued. I shall remedy.

This play with food! I love the idea of bringing the audience into the experience. Drama allows one to do that - all the senses can be engaged.

I would enjoy these musical performances I think. It's just that - isn't it - each artist has preferred mediums/languages of sharing their ideas and visions with the world.

Thank you, Angel.

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